maybe if you recreated Neferitas elixir but instead of human blood you replaced it with the blood of every Vampire Bloodline you could end up with some sort of Super Vampire
the Pros and cons of each Bloodline
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Ghouly said:
There was more then that there, pretty sure a Lahmian and some other not-so-lovely bloodline was mentioned.
Also you can not really remake what made Neferata into a vampire. When it all was expanded upon-...Well as said, poison of a phinx, arkham the blacks magic, brh! Complicated.
I have also been bit lazy with the quoting of the books here because I am not sure if it would end up being too big spoilers or not. Especially the Elixir part. thatandiamlazy
Ghouly said:
It's more likely that such a mixture of different blood, and bloodline, types would result in a very nasty chemical reaction. Goodness only knows what the result would be.
In any case, would it even be possible to re-create Neferata's elixir?
Nop. Like mentioned in my previous post, far too too complicated. Not to mention a heavy dose of luck was required.
QUOTE TIME! Spoilers ahead but elixir stuff.
“This cannot be,” Arkhan snarled. “No poison in all Nehekhara could overcome Nagash’s elixir.”
“It is the venom of the sphinx, a poison both natural and supernatural,” Ubaid said. “Even before the fall of Mahrak it was vanishingly rare. The gods alone know how Lamashizzar obtained it.” The grand vizier approached the queen. His expression was inscrutable as he studied Neferata’s still form. “According to the old texts, the venom attacks the blood, rendering it lifeless. Death is instantaneous.” He shook his head. “It’s a wonder that the queen is alive at all.”
++Bla,bla. Arkham powers himself up with Nagash elixir ( one that was made by Neferata, he notes it is almost as good/powerful as the real thing. Snatches up some tomes, snatches up her and moves to the womens palace. He goes through his old masters tomes and...not all that helpful.++
Growing desperate, Arkhan set the books aside and placed the queen’s body inside the ritual circle. Aiyah watched the immortal spread open three magical tomes on the floor by the circle, then gather up the inkpot and horsehair brush once more.
++The pervert has her be stripped down by one of her handmaidens++
Arkhan laid out the runes with care. The work took hours, winding in intricate ribbons from Neferata’s scalp to her toes. The immortal was conscious of each minute slipping away; it seemed to him that her skin was growing steadily cooler beneath his touch.
The ritual was little different from the incantation of reaping that was used to create Nagash’s elixir. He had made several modifications to the arrangement of the runes to account for the elixir already present in her body. He wasn’t interested in transmutation so much as enhancing what was already there. In theory, the problem seemed simple enough.
Drawing on the surfeit of elixir filling his body, Arkhan poured a steady stream of power into the incantation. At once the air grew heavy above the circle, and he saw the queen’s body begin to tremble. Tiny wisps of steam curled from the sigils painted on her skin.
The immortal felt the elixir boil inside him and directed the released energy into the arcane words rolling from his lips. And, within the circle, Neferata’s body suddenly spasmed. Her back arched painfully, arms splayed and chest thrust skyward. Arkhan could see the tendons in her neck and along the backs of her hands grow taut as bowstrings; her mouth gaped, emitting a billowing gout of black vapour.
Arkhan watched as the queen’s skin began to change. Her rich, brown skin, already pale, began to lose all trace of colour, taking on the cold tone of bleached linen or alabaster. He stopped the incantation abruptly, fearing that he might already be too late. The backlash of forces tore through him; he staggered, his hand going to his chest as invisible knives tore through his vitals. A thin trickle of ichor ran down his chin.
++Right, ritual goes on! Her skin changes color but no real luck.
7 days later: ++
. It seemed that the sphinx’s deadly venom had somehow bonded with Neferata’s ensorcelled blood, transforming it from within. Any attempt to increase the elixir’s vigour empowered the poison as well.
++One, last powerful ritual is tried and much like the one before it taps terribly into Ark's power reserves, nearly killing him. At the -END- of it Neferata's throat and wrists and bla bla are cut so her poisond blood can seep out. ++
Arkhan felt her body tremble as the ichor touched her lips. His skin tingled as her lips brushed the inside of his forearm; they moved against his skin, almost like a kiss, and then she began to drink.
“Yes… yes!” Arkhan breathed. The red mist began to recede. “Drink!”
And she did. Hungrily, greedily, with gathering strength, she drew the liquid from the wound. Her mouth opened, teeth pressing into his flesh. Arkhan clenched his fist. As he watched, the cut in her neck closed up with startling speed.
++But as with most plans Ark trys to pull off-...++
She stared at him for barely a moment, her expression filled with pain, and then all the air went out of her lungs and her body went limp. Arkhan heard Aiyah let out a long, heart-wrenching moan.
Neferata, Daughter of the Moon and Queen of Lahmia, was dead.
++ Now after her being-...dead and all. Some things happened (nothing that could change her into a vamp, just usual mourning and Ark going for revenge) and some time later: ++
As one, the handmaidens began their keening wail again, and bent over the queen’s recumbent form.
Suddenly, there came a dreadful sound from the bed. It was a faint, wet, rippling crackle, like the popping of joints grown stiff from disuse. Then the keening of the handmaidens spiralled into a threnody of horrified screams.
++ The queen then went on to drink her handmaidens dry and speak to her grand vizer who was of course terrifaid ++
Suddenly the grand vizier realised that the sounds of feasting had stopped. Neferata’s head was raised, her mouth and chin soaked in bright, red blood. His own veins turned to ice as she turned her unearthly gaze upon him.
====Spoilers end====
The point of all that spamm was that-...yes it is pretty much impossible to pull off what happened back then x)
Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
I think that pretty much confirms the unique nature of that event.
I think that pretty much confirms the unique nature of that event.
Also while I am at it. Vampire sex:
They were animals, after all, beasts, who must learn to control their savage natures or they would tear their victims limb from limb. Their love was just as animal as their feeding – pain and pleasure in equal measure, biting and kissing, clawing and caressing, wounds that healed as soon as they were made, and bare skin made slippery with blood and tongues.
So, blood, blood, bloooood!
And about vampires running off and mixing blood:
‘We do not breed, no,’ she said. ‘But we do sometimes mate. And we do not always find love within our own families. Sometimes a son of Vashanesh will fall for a daughter of Neferata. Sometimes a daughter of Abhorash will lose herself in the wild animal embrace of a son of Ushoran. And when they do, blood is exchanged – and mixed – and any progeny that either of them birth may have the traits of one or both.’
They were animals, after all, beasts, who must learn to control their savage natures or they would tear their victims limb from limb. Their love was just as animal as their feeding – pain and pleasure in equal measure, biting and kissing, clawing and caressing, wounds that healed as soon as they were made, and bare skin made slippery with blood and tongues.
So, blood, blood, bloooood!
And about vampires running off and mixing blood:
‘We do not breed, no,’ she said. ‘But we do sometimes mate. And we do not always find love within our own families. Sometimes a son of Vashanesh will fall for a daughter of Neferata. Sometimes a daughter of Abhorash will lose herself in the wild animal embrace of a son of Ushoran. And when they do, blood is exchanged – and mixed – and any progeny that either of them birth may have the traits of one or both.’
So, in a sense that does support the mixing of the bloodlines. Shareya, didn't you mention before that no one knows where the Von Cartein line originated? Or at least how it came to be. The vons have (yes you might be guessing right) traits of all the other 4 bloodlines. They have lahmian cunning and speed, Necrarch mastery of magic, Strigoi strength and being able to change into animals and Blood Dragon zeal and often mastery of weapons. Now of course these traits are NOT as powerful as those of their respective bloodlines but Vons do have the traits of other bloodlines.
Your quote above implies that two bloodlines can combine and the offspring has traits from BOTH (or just one in some cases). So if a Necrarch and Lahmian mate and combine to create a hybrid offspring and Stigoi and Dragon combine to make another hybrid offspring and then those offspring mate and create a very hybrid offspring you get Vons.
This does not clash with any of the lore, proves that Vlad could have had some Lahmian legacy as hinted in the Vampire Wars and would explain how the only bloodline we don't know the origins of has traits of all the others. Hell, even Vlad could have been the start of the bloodline if he was the original super hybrid experiment.
And also the Vons (if we assume they are hybrids) aren't ridiculous in any way yet if you put a Dragon, Lagmian, Strigoin, Necrarch and Von in the same room I would put my money on the Von coming out alive (He trumps Lahmians with strength and magic, Dragons with cunning and magic, Strigoi with magic and intelligence and Necrarch with speed and strength).
Your quote above implies that two bloodlines can combine and the offspring has traits from BOTH (or just one in some cases). So if a Necrarch and Lahmian mate and combine to create a hybrid offspring and Stigoi and Dragon combine to make another hybrid offspring and then those offspring mate and create a very hybrid offspring you get Vons.
This does not clash with any of the lore, proves that Vlad could have had some Lahmian legacy as hinted in the Vampire Wars and would explain how the only bloodline we don't know the origins of has traits of all the others. Hell, even Vlad could have been the start of the bloodline if he was the original super hybrid experiment.
And also the Vons (if we assume they are hybrids) aren't ridiculous in any way yet if you put a Dragon, Lagmian, Strigoin, Necrarch and Von in the same room I would put my money on the Von coming out alive (He trumps Lahmians with strength and magic, Dragons with cunning and magic, Strigoi with magic and intelligence and Necrarch with speed and strength).
Ah, no, no. The traits she speaks about are more personality quirks. Von's are more ambitious, Lahmians are ( usually ) more subtle, cunning and so forth. A moment.
Also in a single room the Von would die. He or she would be arrogant and ambitious and charge the Blood Dragon who would cut the person down x)
Also in a single room the Von would die. He or she would be arrogant and ambitious and charge the Blood Dragon who would cut the person down x)
“if A is added to B then C will occur”. The blood affects each who receive it in different ways, and who they were in life has as much to do with who they become in undeath as whose blood they inherited.’
‘I am a blood-daughter of a woman who had the blood of both Vashanesh and Neferata within her veins. It was one of the reasons I was asked to be my queen’s eyes in Sylvania, for I could pass as a von Carstein.
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Now before you go, aha! See bloodlines is not everything. - You are correct, they are not. But in that book it's also pointed out that a dominant one can still effect the childe strongly. Aka if a Strigoi turns someone, she or he is highly likely going to end up a beast. Not only because the person was bitten and turned by one but because she will be thought by the monster and live with him.
Main point still stands, mixing up bloodlines to make a super vampire does not work in Warhammer.
‘I am a blood-daughter of a woman who had the blood of both Vashanesh and Neferata within her veins. It was one of the reasons I was asked to be my queen’s eyes in Sylvania, for I could pass as a von Carstein.
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Now before you go, aha! See bloodlines is not everything. - You are correct, they are not. But in that book it's also pointed out that a dominant one can still effect the childe strongly. Aka if a Strigoi turns someone, she or he is highly likely going to end up a beast. Not only because the person was bitten and turned by one but because she will be thought by the monster and live with him.
Main point still stands, mixing up bloodlines to make a super vampire does not work in Warhammer.
they will become the beast, they get no say in the matter its like with the Necarchs their bloodline has been damaged just in this case it is awesome
Toooo a degreeee, yes x)
What I am just trying to say that ''mixing'' bloodlines does not really result the vampire becoming more powerful and if the sire is older/has more pure blood the childe will get a lot of traits forced upon her.
Also the fluff mostly talks about Lahmians/Von's getting their blood mixed as they are most completable. Ghouly is after all right in pointing out that Necrahs blood would highly likely deform anyone ( same with strigoi ).
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What I am just trying to say that ''mixing'' bloodlines does not really result the vampire becoming more powerful and if the sire is older/has more pure blood the childe will get a lot of traits forced upon her.
Also the fluff mostly talks about Lahmians/Von's getting their blood mixed as they are most completable. Ghouly is after all right in pointing out that Necrahs blood would highly likely deform anyone ( same with strigoi ).
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We feel your....pain. 
And I honestly think that Vons were made by mixing of all the other bloodlines. They share traits with all of them. And I agree with you shareya, bloodline mixing does not make super vampires but it does give them certain advantages which could be useful .
A bit off topic but Warhammer has Deamons, does it also have celestial beings? I have not heard of an army of angles or something similar (elves aren't really celestial). HoMM does it and "deamons" without their direct opposite seems a bit flawed.
And I honestly think that Vons were made by mixing of all the other bloodlines. They share traits with all of them. And I agree with you shareya, bloodline mixing does not make super vampires but it does give them certain advantages which could be useful . A bit off topic but Warhammer has Deamons, does it also have celestial beings? I have not heard of an army of angles or something similar (elves aren't really celestial). HoMM does it and "deamons" without their direct opposite seems a bit flawed.
What advantages?
If the person is sired by a old vampire. That vampires traits will carry onto the childe no matter what.
If the person is sired by a younger generation vampire, that person in the end will turn out according to her Mistress guidance and so forth. Edit: Mind you, they can of course break away and find their own way and develop in other directions (if their Mistress was a younger generation, much harder to pull that off with the older ones).
Necrah and Strigoi are complicated cases due to their tainted/flawed ( whatever you wish to call it ) blood of course.
I personally think Vlad was either a Lahmian ( maybe bit of blood dragon in there ) or simply a vampire who was made by Nagash himself. So a completely new bloodline ( edit: and I really doubt he used blood of all the bloodlines. in the end vons are not superior to say a Lahmian in melee because of their blood but because they simply train and are more involved in warfare. )
If the person is sired by a old vampire. That vampires traits will carry onto the childe no matter what.
If the person is sired by a younger generation vampire, that person in the end will turn out according to her Mistress guidance and so forth. Edit: Mind you, they can of course break away and find their own way and develop in other directions (if their Mistress was a younger generation, much harder to pull that off with the older ones).
Necrah and Strigoi are complicated cases due to their tainted/flawed ( whatever you wish to call it ) blood of course.
I personally think Vlad was either a Lahmian ( maybe bit of blood dragon in there ) or simply a vampire who was made by Nagash himself. So a completely new bloodline ( edit: and I really doubt he used blood of all the bloodlines. in the end vons are not superior to say a Lahmian in melee because of their blood but because they simply train and are more involved in warfare. )
Aren said:
That wasn't the issue though
. What was being suggested was that you could have all the bloodlines mixing together to create some kind of 'super vampire', and that's clearly not feasible.Mixing of two bloodlines is, by contrast, possible, but exactly how they mix, and what impact it has in terms of physique, and personality, is open to debate.
nope no Angels Warhammer is dark fantasy worse case is the only case,Aren said:
The Carstines are the line of Valeesh (spelling?) Vlad just changed his name to something that sounded a little more Kilsivite, because that's where he went to hang out after Lhamaia fell
ALL OF MY YES!!
Shareya said:What?
Vlad is still there. His just not Vashnesh, meaning his background is now shrouded even in more mystery.
aww that actually sucks alot I mean it takes away one of the few Vlad moments I like
By Marty Stew I assume you actually mean Marty Stu. And no Vlad isn't one, he's not perfect enough to actually constitute one. Nor does he win at everything all the time, as the Grand Theogonist could tell you.