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That's what's I ment, just words failed me..
I believe so... Not sure. Warseer confirmed preorders to be the 23 of August...
His save may not be great but he is toughness 7 so anything less than str6 needs 6's to wound (I hate they removed autofails if more than double T >S). He re-rolls miscast results for some more safety and you know he has magic restoring wounds. Your main concern is war machines but I am seriously expecting the new lore to have some big arsed raising spells, which he then triples the range and effect of (TRIPLES) so war machines should not get more than a turn before they are buried in bodies. His Sword is not that bad, and against MI and MC he will rip it up, talk about a combat res monster in that situation 6 attacks, 3's to hit, 2's to wound multiply wounds by 3... no save for you unless you have a 1+ save which is now 6+.. Then there seems to be a multi stacking unstable reduction abilities within the force between him, the Heralds and then the battle standard... His spell knowledge is unreal, 8 plus a auto Raising spell yes please, with the ability to utilise different lores and therefore lore abilities. His staff does what it used to with this additional bit about using power to provide heroic killing blow which could be useful at times (though likely unneeded).
Finally the wording of the Heroic Killing blow section makes me wonder if he does not generate additional attacks in some form on top of his stats, though this may just be due to thunderstomps additional d6 attacks...
I am very excited
I believe so... Not sure. Warseer confirmed preorders to be the 23 of August...
His save may not be great but he is toughness 7 so anything less than str6 needs 6's to wound (I hate they removed autofails if more than double T >S). He re-rolls miscast results for some more safety and you know he has magic restoring wounds. Your main concern is war machines but I am seriously expecting the new lore to have some big arsed raising spells, which he then triples the range and effect of (TRIPLES) so war machines should not get more than a turn before they are buried in bodies. His Sword is not that bad, and against MI and MC he will rip it up, talk about a combat res monster in that situation 6 attacks, 3's to hit, 2's to wound multiply wounds by 3... no save for you unless you have a 1+ save which is now 6+.. Then there seems to be a multi stacking unstable reduction abilities within the force between him, the Heralds and then the battle standard... His spell knowledge is unreal, 8 plus a auto Raising spell yes please, with the ability to utilise different lores and therefore lore abilities. His staff does what it used to with this additional bit about using power to provide heroic killing blow which could be useful at times (though likely unneeded).
Finally the wording of the Heroic Killing blow section makes me wonder if he does not generate additional attacks in some form on top of his stats, though this may just be due to thunderstomps additional d6 attacks...
I am very excited
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That's what's I ment, just words failed me..
I believe so... Not sure. Warseer confirmed preorders to be the 23 of August...
His save may not be great but he is toughness 7 so anything less than str6 needs 6's to wound (I hate they removed autofails if more than double T >S). He re-rolls miscast results for some more safety and you know he has magic restoring wounds. Your main concern is war machines but I am seriously expecting the new lore to have some big arsed raising spells, which he then triples the range and effect of (TRIPLES) so war machines should not get more than a turn before they are buried in bodies. His Sword is not that bad, and against MI and MC he will rip it up, talk about a combat res monster in that situation 6 attacks, 3's to hit, 2's to wound multiply wounds by 3... no save for you unless you have a 1+ save which is now 6+.. Then there seems to be a multi stacking unstable reduction abilities within the force between him, the Heralds and then the battle standard... His spell knowledge is unreal, 8 plus a auto Raising spell yes please, with the ability to utilise different lores and therefore lore abilities. His staff does what it used to with this additional bit about using power to provide heroic killing blow which could be useful at times (though likely unneeded).
Finally the wording of the Heroic Killing blow section makes me wonder if he does not generate additional attacks in some form on top of his stats, though this may just be due to thunderstomps additional d6 attacks...
I am very excited
I believe so... Not sure. Warseer confirmed preorders to be the 23 of August...
His save may not be great but he is toughness 7 so anything less than str6 needs 6's to wound (I hate they removed autofails if more than double T >S). He re-rolls miscast results for some more safety and you know he has magic restoring wounds. Your main concern is war machines but I am seriously expecting the new lore to have some big arsed raising spells, which he then triples the range and effect of (TRIPLES) so war machines should not get more than a turn before they are buried in bodies. His Sword is not that bad, and against MI and MC he will rip it up, talk about a combat res monster in that situation 6 attacks, 3's to hit, 2's to wound multiply wounds by 3... no save for you unless you have a 1+ save which is now 6+.. Then there seems to be a multi stacking unstable reduction abilities within the force between him, the Heralds and then the battle standard... His spell knowledge is unreal, 8 plus a auto Raising spell yes please, with the ability to utilise different lores and therefore lore abilities. His staff does what it used to with this additional bit about using power to provide heroic killing blow which could be useful at times (though likely unneeded).
Finally the wording of the Heroic Killing blow section makes me wonder if he does not generate additional attacks in some form on top of his stats, though this may just be due to thunderstomps additional d6 attacks...
I am very excited
It also says the the lore of undeath restores points, rather than models... I am wondering if he may be able to to just bring stuff back from the dead or create new units that s not jus skeles or sees.
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sorry you miss understood I realise they were not extras the text says including those he makes with Mortis, well my point is what other attacks does he have? Thunderstomp and ?
Read it again, it does not 'restore' it 'Summons' that's a HUGE difference... Defo agree the points thing makes it seem like he can summon various unit types..
Read it again, it does not 'restore' it 'Summons' that's a HUGE difference...
Defo agree the points thing makes it seem like he can summon various unit types..
I love his rules. I mean, sure, with only a 4++ save, he's cannon fodder, but what big monster isn't? I can't hold that against him, that's a problem with cannons. That said, he's got tons of attacks & wounds, strength 8 with his sword and d3 wounds in close combat, so he's an absolute beast. And his magic abilities are positively off the hook, though some of his arcane abilities will depend on the quality of his personal lore.
But even if lore of undeath is garbage (which I don't think anyone expects), he's still a level 5 wizard who knows up to 8 other spells chosen from several very good lores, who re-rolls miscast results, can can hold over four power dice. If he burns six of his spells on a single lore, he can guarantee access to a spell of his choice, and still have two left over for another lore (unfortunately, you have to declare how many to use on what lore first, you you can't just roll one at a time until you get what you want, but even so). Smash things with the purple wind from Death! Take lore of vampires and hang out with a mortis engine for +7 to cast!
In general, I find his rules are very true to his previous incarnation, which frankly surprised me. I was unprepared to believe that GW was bringing back Nagash at all, despite all the hints pointing to that fact over the last few years, but even if I had let myself believe, I never would have expected his rules to live up to his lore so well.
The End has truly come for the peoples of the Warhammer World.
But even if lore of undeath is garbage (which I don't think anyone expects), he's still a level 5 wizard who knows up to 8 other spells chosen from several very good lores, who re-rolls miscast results, can can hold over four power dice. If he burns six of his spells on a single lore, he can guarantee access to a spell of his choice, and still have two left over for another lore (unfortunately, you have to declare how many to use on what lore first, you you can't just roll one at a time until you get what you want, but even so). Smash things with the purple wind from Death! Take lore of vampires and hang out with a mortis engine for +7 to cast!
In general, I find his rules are very true to his previous incarnation, which frankly surprised me. I was unprepared to believe that GW was bringing back Nagash at all, despite all the hints pointing to that fact over the last few years, but even if I had let myself believe, I never would have expected his rules to live up to his lore so well.
The End has truly come for the peoples of the Warhammer World.
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@He's too big for <4k peeps:
Couple things there. The campaign book may have reasons you can break Lord %, if he even gets chosen for an army in the conventional sense. Also Lord % might go away in 9th. Also, battlescroll/Storm of Magic style extrapercentile spending? Or warhammer fantasy gets Unbound. There's a lot of things we don't know anything about for this release. Bemoaning a 4k list building might be premature.
Couple things there. The campaign book may have reasons you can break Lord %, if he even gets chosen for an army in the conventional sense. Also Lord % might go away in 9th. Also, battlescroll/Storm of Magic style extrapercentile spending? Or warhammer fantasy gets Unbound. There's a lot of things we don't know anything about for this release. Bemoaning a 4k list building might be premature.
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So help me out here. The Books allow Nagash 9 spells, one of which is always Raze. Nagash is also a lvl 5.
Say, some Item killing thing happens to him. 9 spells gone. But being a lvl 5, is he capable of casting 14 spells before some Elf unmakes his Books? What kinda wizard can't cast for donk after his items crap out on him? I'd like to think those WD write ups will be tightened by the time the campaign book drops.
Say, some Item killing thing happens to him. 9 spells gone. But being a lvl 5, is he capable of casting 14 spells before some Elf unmakes his Books? What kinda wizard can't cast for donk after his items crap out on him? I'd like to think those WD write ups will be tightened by the time the campaign book drops.
