Blackadders WIP Warlord Titan
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Time to assemble the whole and see where we stand:
The upper thigh armour needs to be lengthened about a quarter of an inch but the hinge and plate should take care of that.
The trailing legs don't have a large enough range of movement.
The leg joint lock systems works well but the bolts still need to be concealed.
The hip axles are way too thin in diameter but the length looks right.
http://i.imgur.com/ikTXV.jpg
The step dynamics look right in both the static and the step out pose
http://i.imgur.com/51WPc.jpg
The front elevation while bland will convey the power of this brute.
I may have to mount the greaves higher.
http://i.imgur.com/4QfE2.jpg
And I just love these low angle shots
http://i.imgur.com/I0Er1.jpg
The upper thigh armour needs to be lengthened about a quarter of an inch but the hinge and plate should take care of that.
The trailing legs don't have a large enough range of movement.
The leg joint lock systems works well but the bolts still need to be concealed.
The hip axles are way too thin in diameter but the length looks right.
http://i.imgur.com/ikTXV.jpg
The step dynamics look right in both the static and the step out pose
http://i.imgur.com/51WPc.jpg
The front elevation while bland will convey the power of this brute.
I may have to mount the greaves higher.
http://i.imgur.com/4QfE2.jpg
And I just love these low angle shots
http://i.imgur.com/I0Er1.jpg
Strap a gun to it's crotch and call it a day! At least that's what I'd do...I can't believe you've stuck with this thing, you're certainly more patient than I am
I'm looking on this thread as more of a public service. While I can't hope to equal Mr Smith in originality I do hope to shed some light on how he accomplished his Magnum Opus with a few little Blackadderisms thrown in to keep my self respect.
Today I worked on the massive block that supports the weight of the upper torso and transfers it to the legs.
The pelvis is the de facto heart of this beast and many of the models I have examined it is usually much too small. We must assume this Titan masses on the order of a thousand metric tonnes at least half of which is above the waist block. There must be something substantial to support this mass and still provide the flexibility to achieve bipedal locomotion.
Below is my interpretation which masses a third of a kilo already (about 11 ounces).
I built it in two interlocking parts so I have access to the adjustment screws to change the pose.
I figure when complete it will mass about half a kilo or thirteen ounces.
That's a lot of plasticard.
http://i.imgur.com/wzcVr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/28sm5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GQp3H.jpg
Today I worked on the massive block that supports the weight of the upper torso and transfers it to the legs.
The pelvis is the de facto heart of this beast and many of the models I have examined it is usually much too small. We must assume this Titan masses on the order of a thousand metric tonnes at least half of which is above the waist block. There must be something substantial to support this mass and still provide the flexibility to achieve bipedal locomotion.
Below is my interpretation which masses a third of a kilo already (about 11 ounces).
I built it in two interlocking parts so I have access to the adjustment screws to change the pose.
I figure when complete it will mass about half a kilo or thirteen ounces.
That's a lot of plasticard.
http://i.imgur.com/wzcVr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/28sm5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GQp3H.jpg
Someone get the canvas jacket; ya know the one with the extra long sleeves. I was piddlin' around detailing the pelvis and I couldn't find a satisfactory Adeptus Mechanicus emblem so I decided to make one of my own, after all I mean how hard could it be.
Well I have to tell you the cogged sprocket was tedious. If I do another one I'll make it in pieces.
The plugs and wiring wasn't too bad I shaved down my smallest diameter rods to half round for the plugs and and used shavings for some of the smallest cables.
http://i.imgur.com/8GNYJ.jpg
The skull wasn't that difficult at all. I first tried to make it of a single scrap of 2.0 MM sheet styrene but found the relief wasn't deep enough so I glued on another layer and carved away everything that didn't look like a skull.
Periodically I doused the sculpture down with thinset cement to soften the cuts and blend the seams. Right now I am waiting for the glue to dry so I can put on the final detailing.
http://i.imgur.com/6wrIf.jpg
Now I copied this off of "The city of the dead" emblem which I like better than the standard Adeptus Mechanicus emblem BTW it appears that the emblems can be mirror imaged, is that right?
Anyway it took less time to make the tiny thing (It's only a centimeter wide the skull that is.) than it has to write this reply.
I gotta learn to type someday.
Well I have to tell you the cogged sprocket was tedious. If I do another one I'll make it in pieces.
The plugs and wiring wasn't too bad I shaved down my smallest diameter rods to half round for the plugs and and used shavings for some of the smallest cables.
http://i.imgur.com/8GNYJ.jpg
The skull wasn't that difficult at all. I first tried to make it of a single scrap of 2.0 MM sheet styrene but found the relief wasn't deep enough so I glued on another layer and carved away everything that didn't look like a skull.
Periodically I doused the sculpture down with thinset cement to soften the cuts and blend the seams. Right now I am waiting for the glue to dry so I can put on the final detailing.
http://i.imgur.com/6wrIf.jpg
Now I copied this off of "The city of the dead" emblem which I like better than the standard Adeptus Mechanicus emblem BTW it appears that the emblems can be mirror imaged, is that right?
Anyway it took less time to make the tiny thing (It's only a centimeter wide the skull that is.) than it has to write this reply.
I gotta learn to type someday.
Hmmm this doesn't bear a close inspection. I brushed the piece with a shoe brush to see if I could accentuate the relief and the skull looks a bit flawed at close range highlighted. The lens rim also has to be thinned down a tad. This is the best close up I've managed with this camera and wouldn't you know it's of dubious work. Faa!
http://i.imgur.com/fOi2g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xAcTi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4DiaV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fOi2g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xAcTi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4DiaV.jpg
The following is a quote from another forum included to demonstrate scale.
That's the one I copied albeit 1/2 the size.
http://i.imgur.com/prU6y.jpg
The whole emblem is as small as my thumbnail
http://i.imgur.com/prU6y.jpg
The whole emblem is as small as my thumbnail
As cool as the skull and everything is, I'm actually more interested in your thumb in that photo. Have you, like, double jointedly dislocated your thumb so that it bends back on itself? If so, I'm so happy because I can do that too!
Sorry, for you that is but happily for me my thumb is not dislocated or double jointed in point of fact I am extremely inflexible in all my joints which is probably more than anyone needs to know that I think about it.
Time to break out the foam board mock up I made so many months ago and see where I went wrong. At that time I was going for a foam Warlord with a styrene veneer and after I totally miscalculated the legs I put the whole project on hold until I had some decent measurements.
I'm surprised how close I came to duplicating my target size as both of these models were built with absolutely no reference to the other. On the negative side the overall height with the knees locked in the following images will yield a 29 inch Warlord which is an inch taller than the DS model and 3 inches taller than my amended target height and 5 inches taller than my original estimation! Egad!
http://i.imgur.com/K5tnv.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/b5816.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/lxvqG.jpg
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Granted the legs as they are pictured look a bit stilted (groan) and with knees flexed and stepping out in a dynamic pose the mean height should approximate DS's model but it will make any subsequent Emperor titans that much larger and impractical for the average battleboard.
I'm surprised how close I came to duplicating my target size as both of these models were built with absolutely no reference to the other. On the negative side the overall height with the knees locked in the following images will yield a 29 inch Warlord which is an inch taller than the DS model and 3 inches taller than my amended target height and 5 inches taller than my original estimation! Egad!
http://i.imgur.com/K5tnv.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/b5816.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/lxvqG.jpg
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Granted the legs as they are pictured look a bit stilted (groan) and with knees flexed and stepping out in a dynamic pose the mean height should approximate DS's model but it will make any subsequent Emperor titans that much larger and impractical for the average battleboard.
Nows your chance to participate in this build. Your input will be greatly appreciated..........
The torso pictured is just a foam board mockup; once I have established a size I'll duplicate the foam board version in styrene. And don't forget I intend to install a complete compartmented interior so getting the size of the torso right is paramount at the moment.
Photoimpacted in carapace and superstructure at 100, 90, and 85 percent the 80% being ridiculously too small
http://i.imgur.com/g1IVN.jpg
100%................................................90%.................................................85%
In the cold light of day I am leaning towards 90%
The torso pictured is just a foam board mockup; once I have established a size I'll duplicate the foam board version in styrene. And don't forget I intend to install a complete compartmented interior so getting the size of the torso right is paramount at the moment.
Photoimpacted in carapace and superstructure at 100, 90, and 85 percent the 80% being ridiculously too small
http://i.imgur.com/g1IVN.jpg
100%................................................90%.................................................85%
In the cold light of day I am leaning towards 90%
The 85% is clearly too small IMO, but I'm not sure about which of the top to I prefer. Perhaps 95%?
Thank you for your valued input.
I also thought of somewhere between 90 and 95% but there is so little visual difference between 95 and 100% that I'm pretty sure the detail will add sufficient bulkiness; and the guns, the arm guns will bulk out this model enormously. The only reason I imaged 85% was to confirm that 15% smaller was much too disproportionate.
I also thought of somewhere between 90 and 95% but there is so little visual difference between 95 and 100% that I'm pretty sure the detail will add sufficient bulkiness; and the guns, the arm guns will bulk out this model enormously. The only reason I imaged 85% was to confirm that 15% smaller was much too disproportionate.
Ah, I see. Cunning. And I hadn't thought much about just how large the guns will be. Since you have the finished picture in your head much more than I do, I think it's probably best to go with your own opinion, so 90% will probably turn out best in the end
Thank you for your valued inputs; that seems to be the consensus on the various forums I frequent. I feel the center figure is much more proportional than the DS sized which always struck me as a bit oversized for the legs and pelvis................
The much anticipated torso build finally; I shall start with the Engineering level with the floor being the top of the planetary mechanism body rotation plate. I have reduced the overall size 10% witness the excess outside the gear plate uprights. The center console/axle support is one of the drums left over from a failed sleeve originally earmarked for the hip axles. That will support the center control monitor consoles in the center well.
http://i.imgur.com/vDp8R.jpg
View attachment ai.imgur.com_vDp8Rl.jpg
The much anticipated torso build finally; I shall start with the Engineering level with the floor being the top of the planetary mechanism body rotation plate. I have reduced the overall size 10% witness the excess outside the gear plate uprights. The center console/axle support is one of the drums left over from a failed sleeve originally earmarked for the hip axles. That will support the center control monitor consoles in the center well.
http://i.imgur.com/vDp8R.jpg
View attachment ai.imgur.com_vDp8Rl.jpg
Chaos_Born said:Strap a gun to it's crotch and call it a day! At least that's what I'd do...I can't believe you've stuck with this thing, you're certainly more patient than I am
Chaos_Born: Strapping things on crotches since 2012
The majority consensus is 90% is the way to go:
The Giant Washer TGW (AKA "The planetary mechanism body rotation plate") is the part I am working on at present. It will supply the Engineering/Logistics compartment ELC with a floor and have a hatch for access to the planetary gears and pelvic block/rear gunner platform. The central shaft housing will contain the fiber optic cables for the Integrated Logistics Systems ILS and the forward deck of the compartment will have the Terrain Mapping Computer TMC and Monitor to ensure proper Stable Footing SFM for the vehicle. On either side will be view ports to maintain a first hand view of the legs as a back up in case the monitors are scrambled WTF*. Thanks to Bibbles suggestion I now have ample room to install all these components.
http://i.imgur.com/ElVmi.jpg
There is no I in engineering.......er.... well there is but you know what I mean
*Watch The Footing
The Giant Washer TGW (AKA "The planetary mechanism body rotation plate") is the part I am working on at present. It will supply the Engineering/Logistics compartment ELC with a floor and have a hatch for access to the planetary gears and pelvic block/rear gunner platform. The central shaft housing will contain the fiber optic cables for the Integrated Logistics Systems ILS and the forward deck of the compartment will have the Terrain Mapping Computer TMC and Monitor to ensure proper Stable Footing SFM for the vehicle. On either side will be view ports to maintain a first hand view of the legs as a back up in case the monitors are scrambled WTF*. Thanks to Bibbles suggestion I now have ample room to install all these components.
http://i.imgur.com/ElVmi.jpg
There is no I in engineering.......er.... well there is but you know what I mean
*Watch The Footing
Johnny-Crass said:Strap a gun to it's crotch and call it a day! At least that's what I'd do...I can't believe you've stuck with this thing, you're certainly more patient than I am
I have been debating how to shorten the upper legs without disturbing too much of the detail. I've known for quite some time that the thigh components were a bit too long. Your reply among others prompted me to take action so yesterday and today I removed the knee discs and a bit of the detail above the axle and cut and re-drilled the axle holes 1 centimeter higher. This necessitated shortening the disc side guides and flex limit stops and shortening the zipper-like trim one set of darts front and back 1 centimeter as well.
The overall effect is positive and I am in the process of reassembling the structure.
Thanks for your support.
Pictures later....................
http://i.imgur.com/TPh2f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OtZvu.jpg
Alrighty then back together again and I may be imagining it but removing that centimeter gives this a more powerful look now although a might shorter the aura of menace is more apparent.
http://i.imgur.com/452b7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A7s9m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OtZvu.jpg
Alrighty then back together again and I may be imagining it but removing that centimeter gives this a more powerful look now although a might shorter the aura of menace is more apparent.
http://i.imgur.com/452b7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A7s9m.jpg
I like it, makes it look heavier (from an armour point of view) and more imposing. Although why did the crotch comment help to prompt that:lol:
Chaos_Born said:
When I have to make a major step backwards I have to blame some one.
Its good training if I ever run for public office.
Getting the face of the torso at the right angle took some doing. I started at what I thought was the proper angle of 10° but it was way too much. After much trial and error I arrive at this which seems correct I shouldn't think it was completely vertical as in some Warlords I've seen but too much angle would over balance it front heavy besides not aesthetically pleasing.
http://i.imgur.com/Na6G3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SIftB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SHf2m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9y3T7.jpg
I wonder how much macho aesthetics is incorporated in real military hardware I mean you don't see any assault rubber duckies do you?
http://i.imgur.com/Na6G3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SIftB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SHf2m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9y3T7.jpg
I wonder how much macho aesthetics is incorporated in real military hardware I mean you don't see any assault rubber duckies do you?
I think the angle could do with being a little bigger. At the moment it looks pretty much straight on. Even if it's just a degree or two I thin it will look more dynamic; like it's mid battle rather than a big statue