First impressions of the Undead Legion
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I hope to pick up the book(s) later today, but I really hope I get a chance to play with the Legion army list. Gonna have to consult my gaming buddies about it.
I really don't like what we know so far about the lore of undeath, though. Elite troops, monsters and characters popping up out of nowhere. It just doesn't sit right with me, thematically.
I really don't like what we know so far about the lore of undeath, though. Elite troops, monsters and characters popping up out of nowhere. It just doesn't sit right with me, thematically.
I will start reading it on my iPad very soon. I really like the iPad versions they put out, rules from the BRB are hyperlinked with a popup with the rule in question fully explained. It seems they touch on every race can't wait to start the reading! The neferata fluff in her entry is very cool, jumped straight to that 
I'm still letting myself get absorbed into the book... pondering whether to start work on Nagash immediately or finish off painting up my core (at least.... those Black Knights still need done too...).
I would heed Undeath users not to underestimate #3, Soul Stealer. Those additional D3 counters will help bolster your summons very quickly. I think #1 Breath of Darkness is also going to be highly valuable as both a movement and a healing spell. Assume you get off Breath, followed by Soul Stealer. That's a minimum of 3 counters already, plus potentially 2 more... 30-50pts more you could spend on your third spell, Grave Call. Unfortunately I don't think Grave Call is really valid at the natural casting value, IMHO it needs to be boosted to 100pts (14+) in order for that unit to make an impact on the table. My intention is to spam units of archers with Grave Call... 150pts would net you ~12-13 archers w/ light armour, or 15 or so with no save.
How many points are TK chariots? Is 150pts enough for a unit of 3? Same goes for Sepulchrul Stalkers. If you saved up 5 counters (2 turns worth of spell casting? 1 turn in a larger game with more LoU wizards on the table) you could get a basic unit of blood knights onto the board in a rear charge position in turn 3...
I would heed Undeath users not to underestimate #3, Soul Stealer. Those additional D3 counters will help bolster your summons very quickly. I think #1 Breath of Darkness is also going to be highly valuable as both a movement and a healing spell. Assume you get off Breath, followed by Soul Stealer. That's a minimum of 3 counters already, plus potentially 2 more... 30-50pts more you could spend on your third spell, Grave Call. Unfortunately I don't think Grave Call is really valid at the natural casting value, IMHO it needs to be boosted to 100pts (14+) in order for that unit to make an impact on the table. My intention is to spam units of archers with Grave Call... 150pts would net you ~12-13 archers w/ light armour, or 15 or so with no save.
How many points are TK chariots? Is 150pts enough for a unit of 3? Same goes for Sepulchrul Stalkers. If you saved up 5 counters (2 turns worth of spell casting? 1 turn in a larger game with more LoU wizards on the table) you could get a basic unit of blood knights onto the board in a rear charge position in turn 3...
For list possibilities..
Evil magic phase
Casket of souls 65 slaves, adds d3 power dice to your pool. Hireotitan 87,5 slaves, adds d3 to your casting total. Mortis engine adds 2+ to the casting total if using LoV... They all stack now
And they all fit in your rare allowance! And you can still use the two first ones, and LoDeath...
Evil constructs
Mortis engine x2 + a Necrotect = 4+ regen constructs. This can mean having 3+as 4+rs Necro knights, as well as t8 sphinxes with a 4+rs. Or go Ushabti crazy.
All cav
We can now also field all cav armies with the TK horsemen as core, since they can now march within 12" of the army general. Nice and fluffy.
Buffed infantry
Kings and Princes give ws 6&5 to the units they join. Necrotects give hatred. You can get useful cc core with this, and if you run grave guard then this should mean christmas for you.
So life is good right now. We just became high tier I think.
Evil magic phase
Casket of souls 65 slaves, adds d3 power dice to your pool. Hireotitan 87,5 slaves, adds d3 to your casting total. Mortis engine adds 2+ to the casting total if using LoV... They all stack now
And they all fit in your rare allowance! And you can still use the two first ones, and LoDeath...Evil constructs
Mortis engine x2 + a Necrotect = 4+ regen constructs. This can mean having 3+as 4+rs Necro knights, as well as t8 sphinxes with a 4+rs. Or go Ushabti crazy.
All cav
We can now also field all cav armies with the TK horsemen as core, since they can now march within 12" of the army general. Nice and fluffy.
Buffed infantry
Kings and Princes give ws 6&5 to the units they join. Necrotects give hatred. You can get useful cc core with this, and if you run grave guard then this should mean christmas for you.
So life is good right now. We just became high tier I think.
UndeadSi87
Skeleton
Picked up the book today...and DEAR LORD OF UNDEATH IS FULL OF GOODIES!
That being said it now is possible, through the combination of armies to field a ranged Undead army...let alone that Cavalry army I've always dreamed of!
I don't think I will/would use to much out of the TK book tbh, I know that's probably a bad thing considering the crazy combo's you can run in the book but I just like the VC units.
That being said...that Bone Giant I always used as a Varghulf in my Neferata army...you know cause what vampire queen doesn't have a bone giant...is now officially a freaking bone giant! I'll be totally adding more constructs to her army!
I don't really roll with the META when I play, I go with what feels good and looks cool. I'll tell you one thing though..its made me want to dust of the other armies I have..not to mention dig out my Zombie Pirates!
That being said it now is possible, through the combination of armies to field a ranged Undead army...let alone that Cavalry army I've always dreamed of!
I don't think I will/would use to much out of the TK book tbh, I know that's probably a bad thing considering the crazy combo's you can run in the book but I just like the VC units.
That being said...that Bone Giant I always used as a Varghulf in my Neferata army...you know cause what vampire queen doesn't have a bone giant...is now officially a freaking bone giant! I'll be totally adding more constructs to her army!
I don't really roll with the META when I play, I go with what feels good and looks cool. I'll tell you one thing though..its made me want to dust of the other armies I have..not to mention dig out my Zombie Pirates!
So WS5, hatred skeletons, with spears in horde formation, buffed by your level 4 shadow vamp lord casting okkam's mindrazor for S10, so 37ish WS5 rerollable hits with S10.. Hmm, I can live with that! 
I noticed that it said there are no duplicate entries limitations for lords. So in a 4000 game = 2 Nagashes?!
So the book says that it changes warhammer, like edition 8.5. So what I get from this:
A) VC and TK no longer suffer from slain general.
B) Undead Legions is a new army that can be fielded in regular matches.
C) Forbidden Lore can now be used for Undeath.
D)Our characters (at least Vlad and Mannfred) have been updated.
Some questions regarding new rules:
1) if you summon a necromancer, which lore(s) does he know? If you get to decide, do you roll for the spell? 2)Is Undead Legions a Force of Destruction or is it unaligned for purposes of alliances?
A) VC and TK no longer suffer from slain general.
B) Undead Legions is a new army that can be fielded in regular matches.
C) Forbidden Lore can now be used for Undeath.
D)Our characters (at least Vlad and Mannfred) have been updated.
Some questions regarding new rules:
1) if you summon a necromancer, which lore(s) does he know? If you get to decide, do you roll for the spell? 2)Is Undead Legions a Force of Destruction or is it unaligned for purposes of alliances?
You've afsked the same questions in the "upcomming warhammer fantasy realeases- Including Nagash and new VC stuff"-thread, I've answered there to the best of my ability, hope they help
I just copy/pasted it on purpose. ThanksYou've afsked the same questions in the "upcomming warhammer fantasy realeases- Including Nagash and new VC stuff"-thread, I've answered there to the best of my ability, hope they help
Something else that I noticed on Vlad is that his Hunger restores wounds on a 4+ and then his sword does the same thing. Does he get to roll twice?
No. It says in brackets at the end of the The Hunger "(Normally this would occur on a D6 on a roll of 6 but this is improved by Blood Drinker, below)."
RobTheWise
Grave Guard
Is this legit or just assumptions? Especially regarding point "B)"? Not got my book yet :-(
That's what I was talking about, his hunger rule. It refers to the Blood Drinker modifier, so it is not a double roll.
Catapults will most certainly making an appearance in my legion. Just wonder how would others go about using Skelly archers though? my other army is dark elves whose ranged units have the option for full command, magic banners and shields so I just tend to use them as core infantry and swift reform them as necessary. Not quite sure on the best way to use simple dedicated missile units. I'm trying to assemble enough bits to make 30, using TK arms on VC bodies. I know they're slightly out of proportion but I think I may just get away with it.
How you lot go about using them. A single large unit, 2x15 or MSU 3x10? I suppose if they're all together it makes it less likely the unit can be destroyed before it's healed.
How you lot go about using them. A single large unit, 2x15 or MSU 3x10? I suppose if they're all together it makes it less likely the unit can be destroyed before it's healed.
I played a TK once that had bowline of archers 30 long with two ranks. He used some spell to give them re-rolls to hit... Not fun.
spineyrequiem
Necromancer
Skeleton archers are 6 points, or 7 with armour, so assuming you don't want command you could get 21 with armour or 26 without.
Chariots are 55 apiece, so no, 150 would not get you three. Probably better to save up counters and get them command and maybe a magic banner
Sepulchral Stalkers are the same price and have no command options.
Feel free to ask me about other costs, I have the book literally right next to me.
I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but does Raze Dead allow us to use the points for upgrades? I have been under the impression that it just allows for base models and any extra points would be lost.