Official Rumour Thread: New Vampire Counts Book

[Pladvoncarstein]

My predictions for the upcoming VC book in terms of items:

The Black Axe of Krell or Frost Blade (depending on whether the Wight SC has the Axe or not)
Blood Drinker (classic VC item)
The Cadaverous Cuirass (a lot of overlapping armors in the 8th ed. BRB, so this would standout as unique)
Helm of Commandment (a very unique item for VC, since it's an itemized My Will Be Done)
The Carstein Ring (every book needs a crappy, item that's often times overpriced and fluffy)
Staff of Damnation (bound spells and unique to VC)
Book of Arkhan (same here)
Banner of Barrows (I see this over Drakenhoff because of the cries of 7th-8th)
The Flag of Blood Keep (a nice classic and unique item)

I'm basing this around the fact that Vampires will have Bloodlines brought back.

Im for this apart from helm of command and banner of barrows. The draken hoff isnt that bad aslong as they keep the points cost high. Banner of barrows is what most of my oponents complain about well that mixed with helm of command.

 

[Sanai]

Your opponents complain about barrows and not Drakenhoff? Thats... very unusual.

 

[Danceman]

Is it? BoB+HoC= Pain. Hoff banner isn't nearly as a scary these days. Given that GW loves the regeneration rule, I noticed lots of players bring bring units with flaming attacks. I don't play much fantasy anymore but I *always* pick the Banner of Eternal flames on my Bestigor unit. Only when I've rolled terribly on my PF tests have they lost VS GG with hoff banner. However, facing a WS7-10 unit with S6 attacks hitting on 2+... I think I'll send in a pumbagor instead, because that's a unit I do not want to tangle with unless I really have to.

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

finecast spirits then? it would be nice if they improved them in some way, their points cost is too high imo and the other specials are better

Lets hope not! They'd bring out five Spirit host models in a fine-cast box set and it's guaranteed to cost 25.50 at least. Let's hope for the slightly cheaper but still getting ripped off option 0f 10 plastic models for 15-20 pounds.

yeah like they have with the recent Necron flayed ones, essentially combat warriors that cost £5 more than the actual elite combat models of lychguard/praetorians. Being cheaper points wise than either unit flayed ones would be nice to fit into small games but the price of the models really puts me off.
i'm not a fan of the current spirit host models but i like the idea of the unit, it would be nice if they reduced the cost of them a little. being etherial is nice but that doesn't stop them being res'd into oblivion due to the small units you can afford

 

[spineyrequiem]

If you want flayed ones for a little cheaper, Necrontyr online has quite a handy tutorial for how to convert Warriors into Flayed Ones. Admittedly, you do need access to plasticard though...

Also, I'd say that 10 models for £15-20 would be a little optimistic these days... after all, they're Special, aren't they!

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

If you want flayed ones for a little cheaper, Necrontyr online has quite a handy tutorial for how to convert Warriors into Flayed Ones. Admittedly, you do need access to plasticard though...

Also, I'd say that 10 models for £15-20 would be a little optimistic these days... after all, they're Special, aren't they!

hmmm i did think about converting warriors after i posted earlier, i just have no idea how to do the claws, i'll have a look. thanks

i imagine when we get updated our core boxes will be elevated from £15 to around £20 as well so i wouldn't be surprised to see our specials become more expensive, grave guard have already matched the price of the tomb guard

 

[Malek]

Hey just wondering if the op can be updated yet?
I am enjoying reading the conversations on this thread but do not have the time to read 21 pages to fina bits of information here and there....i know.....im lazy haha
But I for one am creaming myself about getting this new book and relish the thought of getting all the updates i can about it


Dam that sounds abit self absorbed, my bad

 

[merenwen]

Heya all! Sorry for the long time no post. I have been incredibly busy with uni I am just now finding out about the VC book being unavailable. I am so excited! I find it hard to understand GW's thinking though. I dont get why they havent updated WoodElves or Bret. 2 armies that are vertually unplayable. I supose GW know that VC's are on of the more popular armies and decided that would give them most money. Tis a shame though, because WE and Bret really need a new book! (sorry if I am repeating things that have already been posted. As I say, I have been out of the loop pretty much since late summer)

 

[Monkey's_Uncle]

Heya all! Sorry for the long time no post. I have been incredibly busy with uni I am just now finding out about the VC book being unavailable. I am so excited! I find it hard to understand GW's thinking though. I dont get why they havent updated WoodElves or Bret. 2 armies that are vertually unplayable. I supose GW know that VC's are on of the more popular armies and decided that would give them most money. Tis a shame though, because WE and Bret really need a new book! (sorry if I am repeating things that have already been posted. As I say, I have been out of the loop pretty much since late summer)

I'm not sure about WE (none of my mates play 'em), but Bret's are far from unplayable!

I've had my Lizzies systematically wiped out and handed back to me by Bret armies several time in 8th, and it's not just against Lizzies they excel. Bret's seem to be better against everyone compared to how they fared in 7th, I've seen 'em smash Tomb Kings, Warriors of Chaos, High Elves (yes, High Elves) and Beasts.

I think Vampire Counts are next as GW feels guilty after what they did to Tomb Kings skellies...

 

[Uziel]

Heya all! Sorry for the long time no post. I have been incredibly busy with uni I am just now finding out about the VC book being unavailable. I am so excited! I find it hard to understand GW's thinking though. I dont get why they havent updated WoodElves or Bret. 2 armies that are vertually unplayable. I supose GW know that VC's are on of the more popular armies and decided that would give them most money. Tis a shame though, because WE and Bret really need a new book! (sorry if I am repeating things that have already been posted. As I say, I have been out of the loop pretty much since late summer)

Welcome back

I did play a WE player quite a lot, and while I agree that they have suffered under the new rules, the problem with them from a business standpoint is that the models released previously are for the most part up to date and hard to improve upon, which means little in term of an improved revenue stream fro GW in the short term. This is why I think GW has not chosen to go with a new WE list, and to be honest I expect it it to take a while before we see a new WE list.. I think GW could have come with a White Dwarf update for WE's though, maybe with some official new army special rules etc...

 

[Vengeance Crusader]

Also- trebuchets are horrid in 8th :S No guess range and strength 5(9)! :S

But yea- welcome back!

 

[Von Calyptra]

I think GW makes a lot of their business and game design decisions via a combination of throwing darts and a magic 8 ball. Unless it has to do with Space Marines, in which case it takes priority over everything.

 

[Vengeance Crusader]

I reckon that they will power up our raise dead/IoN spell, but make it only able to be cast once per caster BUT then our Lore attribute will give us models/wounds (D6 maybe?) healed for each spell casting from the VC lore- similar to the Lore of Life's 'Lifebloom' attribute.

This would stop the Invo-spam, and thus bring our Lore in line with the trend of the other lores out there

 

[Dan_Lee]

I think it would be a shame if our lore attribute ended up being the same as tomb kings.

I'd prefer it if our signature spell was a raise or heal spell, and our lore attribute was some form of van hal's (ASF or increased M in the next turn).

 

[El Syf]

Just been told GW staff only find out about new armies a week or two before we do, and they seemed to think it could be Dwarves, Bretonians, Wood Elves or ours next. That was just local store though. All those armies could do with a new book though!

 

[Mr Saturday]

Nah, it's us al-right. Army book is no longer available on the GW site.

 

[Hanblack Nagash]

Just been wondering about this socalled monstrous unit....

would not make sense to just have a unit of vargulfs? obviously slightly tonned down in terms of they can be flanked but it would be the equivilant of us having access to trolls

seems an easy option/ solution to give us another hard hitting unit

 

[spineyrequiem]

I'd say that Varghulfs were more loners though... I mean, isn't the point that they've given up on 'mainstream' vampire society and just allowed the insane beast within to take over? I know it says that they sometimes lead ghouls, but I think that's more just the ghouls realising that it's better to be behind the big killy bat-thing than in front... at any rate, I can't really see them teaming up together.

 

[Hanblack Nagash]

I'd say that Varghulfs were more loners though... I mean, isn't the point that they've given up on 'mainstream' vampire society and just allowed the insane beast within to take over? I know it says that they sometimes lead ghouls, but I think that's more just the ghouls realising that it's better to be behind the big killy bat-thing than in front... at any rate, I can't really see them teaming up together.

yes but GW have a habit of changing fluff as they see fit.

 

[eggsPR]

obviously slightly tonned down in terms of they can be flanked

Can Varghulfs be be flank/rear charged as it stands now?

 

[Vampire Ron]

Can Varghulfs be be flank/rear charged as it stands now?

No, Bestial Fury, Page 54.

 

[Kuosa]

obviously slightly tonned down in terms of they can be flanked

Can Varghulfs be be flank/rear charged as it stands now?

No, they have no flank/rear (no rear special rule )

 

[BloodBall]

I've heard from an Independent retailer that good friends with his GW rep that the VC are going to become the fantasy version of Tyranids. Kind of like a un-living helm of command. Lords would have a 12inch range and any units within range can use his leadership and or weapon skill. Thralls would have a 6inch range but not sure how the nercomancers would work.

 

[Jan Von Carstein]

Really, GW stands on my part on the edge of an axe. Either I'll continue with my VC as I have done for the past 12 or so years, or I'll quit the game entirely, sell most of my minies and curse them all to Nagashizzar.

The golem thingies sound awesome, but most of all I would really like the option of a real summon horde. In what I remembver being the time of 6th ed I used Kemmler to cvast Invocation 24 times a turn, successing on a 3+. Okay, that was almost too good but something need to be gone to our "tarpit" zombies, which imo are the coolest Cores but as they cost twice as much as Skavenslaves and are even worse (thank the new magic rules for that...)... You get me point.

 

[Vlad the Acolyte]

@BloodBall - this news sounds awesome. Sounds really plausable too.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the Fell Bats are no longer available from GW website. New minis? Finecast? Dropped from the book? Or morphed into these monstrous infantry (now with wings) that have been mentioned?