Vampire Ron
Grave Guard
This appears in Phil Kelly's description of the Black Knights on the website, and made me very happy.
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This appears in Phil Kelly's description of the Black Knights on the website, and made me very happy.
Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
so no more one wound per spell restrictions on cavalry then, nice, i doubt it but if that works on blood knights they might just survive long enough to get into combat
Vampire Ron
Grave Guard
My guess is that only models with the Vampiric rule are restricted to 1 wound per casting, or if we're lucky, characters with the Vampiric rule.
All this new information is almost overwhelming. The biggest plus I can see right now is that we now have a wonderful set of new viable options for varied armies. It's looks like the classic 7th ed list is gone, but I'm not overly sad about that. There looks to be enough in there to make a plethora of great (and different) armies. Of all the armies in warhammer, vampire counts rely on units working in concert for victory, so I think it's a little early to applaud or vilify any particular unit or change. However, I do think hexwraiths are currently the most exciting new unit, and possibly the most terrifying flank unit in the game. We'll see.
I think the scariest thing we are getting is still the mortis engine, more magical ability is always good, and it gives amazing buffs.
Pladvoncarstein
Ghoul
hex wraiths are not worth the plastic they are made of. unit size of 5-10 and you cant have more then 3 units of the same type from special. most will run a unit of 5-7 in average games. with one wound each a magic missle is gonna wipe the floor with them being only toughness 3. This is a good thing for me as it means balance (they hit hard but can be destroyed easy a glass cannon as it were)
Don't know if it's been mentioned here and don't want to jump the gun but if you have five extra skeleton horses lying around don't lose them as if you buy the new Black Knights you can put the Hex Wraiths or BKs onto them getting 5 of each for 18.50 plus a couple o Skelly Horses!:zombie:
Just looked at the 360 for both sets of models and I'm pretty sure that no bits are either or for the guys them selves.
Just looked at the 360 for both sets of models and I'm pretty sure that no bits are either or for the guys them selves.
Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
Pladvoncarstein said:
so you like them but dont think they're worth the material they're made of? strange.
magic missles need line of sight so just keep them away from the eyes of enemy mages. they're low strength and toughness is just the same as infantry wraiths which is no surprise really. magic is a danger to them certainly but that wont mean they're useless
Also, if the enemy is shooting magic missiles at your hexwraiths, thats less missiles being aimed at your vampire lord and less enemy castings of dwellers below or purple sun to worry about.
Pladvoncarstein said:
I agree that they aren't worth the plastic they are made of as the models looks like crap. Rulewise though I think they can be really good... sure they can be killed easily with magic but every unit needs a weakness...
Forgotten Heretic said:
I'm thinking about.....
A Blood Knight bus with..
8x, full command, Flag of Blood Keep
Champ takes Potion of Strength or mask of eee!
Add Wight King BSB, on a barded steed with Screaming Banner
Add Lord on a horse, Ogre Blade, Dragon Helm, 4+ Ward, Dark Aura and this power.. (maybe even WS9 if I have enough points)
Now your opponents are testing with -1 Ld, 3 dice discard the lowest, and can't be re-rolled from a BSB, meaning that everyone will almost always hit those lovely WS5 2+ armor knights and 1+/4++ lord on 5s while you cleave them to death with vampiric fury.
Let's max out all the points for fun..
420 for lord
Let's say ~184 for the Wight King BSB w/ Screaming Banner
510 for the Knights and Blood Keep, Champ takes 20 points for PoS
1134 points in 1 unit
Looks like fun to me
They are not the best models but they do look good and the black knights are great.
They have huge hitting power and most things can't hit them and that is why they are weak when taking hits same as all out ethereal gear.
You can't have everything.
They have huge hitting power and most things can't hit them and that is why they are weak when taking hits same as all out ethereal gear.
You can't have everything.
Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
HERO said:
i was thinking that they might keep the restriction on healing vampires to 1 wound per model, i didn't give much thought to the fact that IoN is and AoE spell so it would cover them all anyway, meaning you should only need the one spell for blood knights, Vargheists are another matter though
Pladvoncarstein
Ghoul
Duke Danse Macabre said:
I wasnt complaining they are weak I was saying its good because its balanced. I like that an oponent can one shot them it means we are not as overpowered again as i thought. although I think its off zombies are now s3 t3 and cheaper aswell they are now better then skinks (which is wrong imho) Yes zombies should be tough but they should not be as strong as an elf or skink . What should happen is zombies should be t3 or t4 s2 or s1 .
Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
Pladvoncarstein said:
skaven slaves are still better than zombies and cost a point less. i'd say the changes are fine as they are, zombies are still going to die in huge numbers as they have no armour, ASL and I1. they wont kill much either as they only hit most things on 5's, all thats happened is that they went from being worthless to useable, they are still our worst infantry choice in terms of stats
Sure, they're low stats, but they get S5 with the GW, and being ethereal, ASL isn't as big a deal, plus they don't have to attack, they simply ride through the enemy unit. I think (ignoring my own advice), and I'm not aware of all the rules, so I could be disappointed, but fast, immune to mundane weapons, cavalry with what amounts to a strafe attack would scare the piss out of me if I was facing them. A magic missile will do it, if you leave them in that position, but I think they have they ability to utterly distract your opponent. I'm currently thinking of a unit for each flank, depending on seeing the final rules.
Pietr Von Carstein
Varghulf
Pladvoncarstein said:
Actually, having no pain threshold that tells you when to stop applying the strengtt from your muscles (and I'm assuming that the muscles do work in this case) is a huge benefit from a strength/damage dealing perspective, and is something that should not be ignored when thinking of a Zombie's strength in combat.
This does more apply to the unarmed zombie attacks however, but since warhammer zombies (in the VC army book, but not moist of the lore) feature zombies with weapons, this does not really apply here... Personally, I really dislike the weapon-wieleding zombie models from GW, and would much rather like to see them replaced with unarmed zombies, like the mantic models.
I watched a special episode of "Deadliest Warrior" not long ago, where Vampires were pitted against zombies. It was offcourse the most far-out episode ever, but it still gave one some insights into the zombie and vampire "threath", as featured in books and movies. It should be noted that the zombies were not the fantasy-type animated zombies, rather the plague version. Vampires were also more of the "ultimate predator" type...
Pladvoncarstein said:
I know but that was a personal observation.
I only disagree with you saying they are bad models.
Now the reason they are Toughness 3 and Strength 3 is because they are the recently dead.
The still have all their muscles etc, they would be no weaker than anyone else and because they will normally be human foes they face you get human stat zombies, also you can't complain they will lose muscle over time either as skeletons are strength 3 as well, wonder if I add zombie skin to a Skelly.... will he get a +1 to his armour?
The spears at no costs makes sense. They did it for Night goblins so I could see them doing it for skeletons as well. Basically the justification for it is giving up the parry save for the extra rank of attacks.
Pladvoncarstein
Ghoul
Duke Danse Macabre said:Pladvoncarstein said:
I know but that was a personal observation.
I only disagree with you saying they are bad models.
Now the reason they are Toughness 3 and Strength 3 is because they are the recently dead.
The still have all their muscles etc, they would be no weaker than anyone else and because they will normally be human foes they face you get human stat zombies, also you can't complain they will lose muscle over time either as skeletons are strength 3 as well, wonder if I add zombie skin to a Skelly.... will he get a +1 to his armour?
Ah my wording messed up what I was trying to say. I dont dislike the models (well maybe the crazy ball balls on their weapons) I ment to say they are not worth taking in most games.
Agree on the zombies now makes sense that they are freshly dead so still have muscles etc. I see they still have the newly dead rule but this must have changed as Im sure someone said characters can join zombies now. I dont think zombies will be such a push over with 5 wraiths in the front.
Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
i think the newly dead may only have been changed to allow characters to join the unit, according to a storm of magic list in the back of WD it still allows you to increase the size of zombies
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