- Dec 4, 2011
I know I'm like a dog with a bone, but surely Abhorash, Gilles, the red duke, Elize and Erikan could be a cool little faction?
I like it. A Mortarch for each faction.
The Nameless = Nighthaunt
First Flesheater = Flesheater
Krell = Deathrattle
Arkhan = Deathmage
Neferata = Soulblight
Mannfred = Deathwalker
And it will be as it was in 40k with all Chaos stuff opposing to the non-Chaos stuff, like Orks and Chaos Orks, SM and CSM, Necrons and Chaos androids, even Tyranids? No, thanks.I'm not saying all of that should be done
Nagash has already developed blackstone shards specifically for the binding of such souls, so Death Faction counterparts for all of these units would only be a direct expansion of the current story progression.
Fortunately, you are wrong, maybe even without a single chance to realize this :) in order to understand what I'm writing about just buy and read (or read at least spoilers and reviews) of the Shadows over Hammerhal to get to know how ordinary folk leaves and toils everyday. Not mentioning other, older hints at that in different novels and books, so your opinion is very outdated in fact :)That said, unfortunately there's not a lot of room for new characters in the Age of Sigmar fluff, especially for the Undead. Where would they even come from? There are basically no 'normal people' anywhere from which to draw them. The Age of Sigmar realms aren't really a fantasy world. Civilization on Shyish has been all but wiped out, and the people who receive any focus at all in other factions are mostly immortals anyway, with very few named characters among them who might be turned at that.
Mannfred is a vampire so no deathwalkes any time soon.The mannfred/deathwalker connection is pretty tenuous. And the Nameless is gone, a chaos traitor specifically destroyed in the End Times. And other than being somewhat ghostly himself, he doesn't really have any connection to the Nighthaunts - he worked mostly with zombies and mind-controlled living puppets in the End Times fluff. Anyway, I don't see them bringing him back, and wouldn't want them to.
Or blood knights, since he's a soulblight vampire.Not being a thing doesn't necessarily preclude leading the thing. Mummies lead skeleton armies in the tomb kings book without being skeletons. If they wanted to include mummies in an expanded Deathrattle faction, that would be fine. If Mannfred did have more of a direct connection to zombies in particular, like if raising zombies was his #1 go to strategy and specialty, then sure, I could see putting him at the top of a revised deadwalker subfaction. But that isn't the case, his use of zombies is incidental, and if any unit is to be associated with him, it's Vargheists.
Chaos Tyranids were in books, like in the Ragnar Blackmane series of William King where a nurgle daemon hacked tyranid synapse and controlled them, which was fun and thematic - corrupted, slimy and with lots of flies tyranids. Very sweet. Chaos orks remain even now in FFG books like Bloodboyz given up to Khorne and his bloodlust, and chaos androids were chaos corrupted androids when there were no necrons but were androids. Dark Mechanicus is something entirely different and much newer. And no, entire focus in 40k like it was always in FB are chaos demons. ;)I have no idea what you're talking about with your 40k comment. There have never been chaos tyranids to my knowlede, chaos orks have only barely ever been a thing in the fluff and have never been a meaningful game play faction, and chaos androids, to the extent they exist or ever existed at all, aren't a counterpoint to necrons but rather an expansion of the dark mechanicus, while chaos space marines are the entire focus of chaos in that game/setting to begin with.
Not anymore since there are no nehekharan deities in Age of Sigmar, but I see your point. And while it's true, true is also the fact that too many undead creatures will be bad for models as they will be looking too close to alive models, so to speak, that's why, I guess, most undead are humans. That's why it's also great GW does not copy chaos forces like you probably would have done, for example, they gave Tzeentch and his disciples other units, not so like they gave Khorne or Nurgle.And frankly, nearly all undead are undead versions of creatures that were once part of other, non-undead factions and peoples. That's the entire point of undeath. That's it's whole gimmick, even more so than with Chaos. That's, like, literally the entire gimmick. If you throw out every undead thing that isn't just a necromantically corrupted version of something that was once alive and part of some other culture or faction, you're left with... what? Morghasts? Morghasts only, I think? Morghasts and Dread Abyssals maybe? Wait, no, the fluff for even those things is that they're necromantically corrupted versions of the divine/demonic servants of the old Nehekharan deities.
More or less, I think. And yes, possessed statues are what is really great and I also think it's sad GW discountinued all that stuff. But maybe they will still return.Ushabti and other possessed Tomb King's statuary, maybe. A subtheme that GW no longer even supports. I guess The ghasts & abyssals kind of count, because they're an undead version of things that didn't exist in the game before they were undead?
Perhaps, but plot is plot and models don't always go toe-to-toe with it.But still, I think objecting to undead versions of other factions units is kind of dropping the plot a bit. ;)
I would disagree that dying in the the end times matters much. Drycha died and is back before the end and everyone else died in the final scene.
I agree that Mannfred was in deathwalker because I couldn't find another place for him. Where would you put him?
Put Arkhan and Neferata into TK. lol Let Neferata/Khalida and Arkhan/Settra hash it out.Leave all the mortarchs in deathlords, I'd associate them with other subfactions thematically, but not actually shift them into those subfactions. Mannfred would obviously be associated with soulblight. Neferata could be, too, no reason they couldn't share, or she could be associated with a revised tomb king faction, or, like Arkhan, just stick to deathlords.
Is this something that I've missed or are you just teasing me? I'd love to see some of the older characters back. Isabella was mentioned and that would be a great choice if she was to step it up a little.Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow?
It is fine bit of threadomancy, but as it's on topic and still valid; ok with me! Even better, I love this threads like this, so it's been stickied!
That said, I can't say I'm overly keen on any of the Mortarchs. Neferata was always a bit too snobbish for me, even though I do normally love the leading ladies :perv:
As for Mannfred, whilst granted he is an excellent schemer, for me I always felt he went that step too far to the point where it was almost Skaven list with his constant betrayals.
Is this something that I've missed or are you just teasing me? I'd love to see some of the older characters back. Isabella was mentioned and that would be a great choice if she was to step it up a little.
I do think that Heinrich Kemmler with his Cloak of Mists and Shadows should have been the new Mortarch for the Nighthaunt.